You weren’t defending ‘Carol’s’ rights, this fictional character’s nudity was decided on by A MAN.
If you want to defend a woman’s right to wear what they want then DO IT. But make it about a REAL WOMAN and not a fictional female character, written by a man, dressed by a man and filmed by a man.
And for the record, talking about Rape Culture isn’t calling you a rapist. Calling you a ‘Rape Apologist’ isn’t calling you a rapist.
Why are people up in arms about a woman in her bra and panties.
YES SHE’S A FICTIONAL CHARACTER BUT SHE’S ALSO A REAL WOMAN
Just that fact alone means SHE’S CAPABLE OF MAKING HER OWN DECISIONS ON WHETHER SHE WANTS TO BE IN HER UNDIES OR NOT.
There was also the video I reblogged earlier where it had both Kirk and Benedict topless.
Just because a guy looked at a woman while changing clothes does not make him hate woman.
ESPECIALLY IN A FAKE MOVIE AS STAR TREK.
Are you telling me that Shatner who played Kirk on the show never once womanized? NOT ONCE?!
And Daunt, I love you to pieces but you weren’t the one who probably called him a racist. Some one else who didn’t know any better probably did.
THIS IS WHY WE CAN’T HAVE NICE THINGS TUMBLR.
If honestly you are upset over the fact that she was in her panties then you need to relearn your life decisions.
IT’S A MOVIE
I get that. I really do and it SHOULDN’T be a big deal but there is so much more to it than that. There is a long history behind stuff like this.
The casual way that we deal with it is contributing to the problem.
Yeah it’s a movie but this stuff sits in your mind. The awful stuff we learned about through tv and movies? Girls who are sluts have bad things happen to them, good girls stay virgins. Boys hit on you, touch you because you’re attractive so be grateful. It’s easy to say it’s stupid stuff but when you’re a girl and some boy puts their hands on you and all you feel is ashamed and embarrassed? You’re too afraid to tell someone because you feel like you did something wrong?
It’s easy to think this stuff it stupid but it sits in your head.
So yeah it’s a movie, it’s fiction but there is a larger insidious problem beneath this and it’s hurting people. Women AND men.
Anyways, check out these links, I sent them to Lunsford. IDK if he will read them? But you guys should. It may help with a little bit more understanding stuff. I’m bad at explaining so…
Don’t worry daunt, most of us know what you meant. Like how actual women are often not equivalent to representations of women in the media (written primarily by men), how it’s really shitty to disguise the objectification and oversexualization of women (for the purpose of pleasing men) as female body empowerment (for the purpose of pleasing the women involved), how profound media is in that you can’t just say “IT’S A MOVIE; A MOVIE” (in unnecessary and emotional caps) without thinking about how many goddamn movies there are in the history of movies that have been doing these same practices (aka preserving while not outwardly promoting the whole women-exist-only-to-add-to-the-life-and/or-story-of-a-man-and-not-her-own-life-and/or-story thing).
How characters are not actual functioning people (are only created BY people for the sake of reaching out to a specific audience), because most of the time actual human beings aren’t enough, in that we can’t fully project ourselves onto them like we can on the fictional. And that these characters don’t actually have a say in the amount of skin they show, not like how Hollywood-influenced writers do, seeing as they wrote the characters (italicized for emphasis, not to express any anger, though I am a tad peeved).
And I’ve seen the movie; in that scene, Carol clearly didn’t welcome Kirk’s gawking, and yet, it was included in the movie anyway, her own (aka all the women in the audience’s) uncomfortable-ness be damned, simple as that. She wasn’t giving off the impression that she was embarrassed (didn’t try to cover herself immediately), but she didn’t like him looking either (kept telling him to turn around). This wasn’t an “empowering” scene, okay, it just wasn’t. It was a quick shot of a woman in her underwear, most likely made for the filmmakers to put into the trailer, to get more boys to see their movie. It’s a marketing technique, taken on by people who don’t respect women quite enough not to blatantly objectify them for the sake of ticket sales.
daunt, I applaud you dude, I see where you are getting at, or at least I think (and hope) that I do. And it’s really not fair that you’re having to defend yourself when I do believe you have the best of intentions. Stay strong, okay?
P.S. I just gotta add this too: the Star Trek reboot is different than Star Trek TOS, significantly so. There is a brand-spanking-new 21st century influence of ideals that of course TOS didn’t have access to. Yes, Kirk was (and is, in nutrek) promiscuous, a womanizer. But this negative attribute (the womanizer part, not the promiscuous part, that’s totally fine) doesn’t have to be preserved in order to preserve his character as a whole. He doesn’t need to want to get into every woman’s pants for his leadership, loyalty, and selflessness to remain intact. I’m not saying erase all his bad shit and make him perfect, I’m saying that his amount of respect for women is another thing that needs to be upgraded in order to still be realistic in a futuristic society where women are done striving to be men’s equals, they already are men’s equals. As a main character, it’s Kirk’s (aka his writers’) job to express how much times have changed in terms of equality for all, just as Roddenberry strived to do so many years ago.
P.P.S. If Stephen ever sees this, I formally apologize for all the people who falsely accused you of being a rapist. Please keep in mind that a lot of tumblr is made up of people who can’t seem to have a calm discussion of the issues, they just like to get in little sound-byte-like jabs that are actually quite hurtful. Also note that it’s kinda hard for people to just say what they wanna say, outright (it’s taken me like an hour to type up this entire thing, I keep having to go back and edit shit!). But there are people on this site, if you hunt hard enough, who do welcome healthy discussion. The whole point of said discussion is not for both sides to solidify the extent to which they disagree, but to get to the root of it all: WHY they disagree. Easier said than done, though. I encourage you to continue speaking your opinion, though people may not always agree with it. Just remember to keep your cool. Ignore all the irrational haters, and get to the substance. And try to see things from each party’s perspective, though I’m sure you already strive to do so. I hope you feel better and are able to get past all of this conflicting attention.
P.P.P.S. But you gotta admit that ladies face a lot more pressure regarding their body image, which is what makes ogling them not totally okay. There is a double standard, and we can’t achieve equality by ignoring inequalities, by doing the whole “why can’t men do it if women can do it” argument. I’m sure there are plenty of bad examples for all genders regarding the issue of objectification, but c’mon. Ladies have it pretty much the worst. Also also, women are more often than not looked down upon for ogling men, you just don’t see it much in the mostly-safe-place that is tumblr and/or on the scripted world of television. That’s a whole ‘nother separate issue involving not letting women enjoy the things they enjoy and consistently putting them down (see: how guys react to gamer girls, “fake” geek girls, etc.).